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Poker dot princess

Should I criticise you when I don't see what you see? Should I shoot down the artist when I don't understand what he is saying? Sometimes I believe we don't necessarily see what the photographer sees and as a result we feedback based on what we reckon the image should look like. Is that right or wrong?

Did Van Gogh's fellow painters think he painted with the wrong colours or were Picasso's paintings considered too abstract. About a year ago I came across a portrait photograph company called Venture. They specialise in blowing out (overexposing) parts of their images, it is actually a trademark with their shots. Oh yea they make lot of money.

Hmmmmmmmmm………………………….. Just thots running through my head today. Discuss

One of my past weekend shots of a model with some crazy make-up. This is my shot in progress, I haven't yet finished it, I am putting it up so u guys can help me improve it. I can't think of anything more to do to this image, so ur comments are very well. Even if ur not technical I wanna hear what u have to say.

Does it work? Do you think its nice? or I shouldn't have bothered? 

Thank God its friday

Poker dot princess

Should I criticise you when I don't see what you see? Should I shoot down the artist when I don't understand what he is saying? Sometimes I believe we don't necessarily see what the photographer sees and as a result we feedback based on what we reckon the image should look like. Is that right or wrong?

Did Van Gogh's fellow painters think he painted with the wrong colours or were Picasso's paintings considered too abstract. About a year ago I came across a portrait photograph company called Venture. They specialise in blowing out (overexposing) parts of their images, it is actually a trademark with their shots. Oh yea they make lot of money.

Hmmmmmmmmm………………………….. Just thots running through my head today. Discuss

One of my past weekend shots of a model with some crazy make-up. This is my shot in progress, I haven't yet finished it, I am putting it up so u guys can help me improve it. I can't think of anything more to do to this image, so ur comments are very well. Even if ur not technical I wanna hear what u have to say.

Does it work? Do you think its nice? or I shouldn't have bothered? 

Thank God its friday

comments (20)

Hmm... interesting concept, reminds me a lot of 101 Dalmations.
Interesting concept Ade, you know you could make a stronger connection between the dots and the subject had shot been looking at the dots and not the camera, but then I guess you came up with the dots idea during processing.

Great work.
  • skee
  • 24 Feb 2006, 05:37
Don't bother!
Posted at 5:37am... no wonder Mr Skee is grumpy today. wink
  • Asiko
  • 24 Feb 2006, 06:39
Jide: i thot of the concept before i shot but it didn't come out the way i wanted. thanx 4 the advice and comments guys.
skee: that was really helpfull, now i'll really learn stuff with great comments like that.
  • skee
  • 24 Feb 2006, 07:35
Yes! I am in a very grumpy mood! ;-)

Okay, jokes apart! Ade, I just simply answered you question, after all, you did ask,"Shouldn't I have bothered?"

OK, let's discuss the above picture! (I think I'll need a cuppa...brb!)

I'm back.

My fellow designer friend at work always asks me this question when critiquing a design or a project that i'm working on, "Are you happy with this?", and then he normally follows up with "Are you sure this is the best you can do?"

Ade. I know this piece of work is still in progress, but sometimes, we should learn to know, when to stop or to continue! Or even if to start!

I once worked on what I thought was a masterpiece of a painting, all was going well, even the owner of the studio where I was painting it had nothing but continuous praises. But the problem was, I didn't know when to stop painting, and it ended up...being scrapped!

THE COMPOSITION.
"Poker dot princess", Nice idea, but badly composed

I don't think the head in that position works! Also it's an isolated head, even a hint of maybe the neck or torso would make the fimage of the figure sit more comfortable.

Ade, your previous stuff shows you have lots of creativity. Now that you have reached this level, like I said a couple of weeks back...I will not be "Sparing the rod", on my comments, what is good is good and bad is bad!

THE BACKGROUND.

The dots...for what it's worth, is a good idea! BUT! radiating them outwards doesn't work as it conflicts with the pattern of the dots on the model's face.

THE LIGHTING

Well exposed...but sososo boring!

CONCLUSION!

"Should I criticise you when I don't see what you see?"( NO )

"Should I shoot down the artist when I don't understand what he is saying?" ( FREEDOM OF SPEECH, as long as it's +ve I really don't see the problem here! )

Does it work? Do you think its nice? or I shouldn't have bothered? ( DONT BOTHER! )
AN OPTION THAT YOU GAVE US!

ONE MORE THING!

You are always trying new things, that shows plenty of potential Keep it up, and don't be afraid to make mistakes, be bold, and forget everything Mr Skee said above, afterall...What does he know...he's just an artist ;-)

Havee a wonderful weekend!
  • Ade
  • 24 Feb 2006, 08:00
wow, thanks Skee thats much better. I will be re-doing this shot soon. don't be afraid to let loose. LOL
  • Sele
  • 24 Feb 2006, 10:18
Ade, I actually have to agree with Skee 100% - something i would not like to admit in public!!!!

Will chat to u later...
Ade - you stole my thoughts you, you...thought thief!

Skee - you've touched on a very good point here with your quote...

'My fellow designer friend at work always asks me this question when critiquing a design or a project that i'm working on, "Are you happy with this?", and then he normally follows up with "Are you sure this is the best you can do?"'

When looking at comments received on pictures I rarely see questions, I see statements. Ask questions, don't make statements. There's too much of...

"You should have done this"
"You shouldn't have done that"

Perhaps if people were to consider what the photographer wanted to convey more it would be less critical and more discussive.
  • Ade
  • 24 Feb 2006, 12:45
yeap I feel we can a bit too critical in opinions of images which sometimes sounds discouraging.
  • Suby
  • 24 Feb 2006, 13:00
Nice comments guys, now that's more like it. Mr Skee, why don't I get detailed critique like this from you? (sulking here).

Okay to the image, contrary to Mr Skee, I likey. Would the dots work for image if they where radiating inwards, only way to find out will be to retouch the image.

Lighting, are we looking for darker tones or lighter tones? If I remember, Asiko took these shots as a commission for a makeup artist (or something like that). Is this what the client was looking for? I have to say i think they are very creative (but what do I know).

Mr Skee's critiques however are valid, he is looking at this picture through his eyes and he has stated his own opinions. THIS I FEEL WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF ON SHUTTERCHANCE. I disagree with Beakerst, if I do not know how other photographers would have taken that image, how am I going to improve in my photography?

I put up my images so that other like minded people with the same interest would tell me 1stly if it was a good shot, then follow it up with areas or critiques of how they would have taken that SAME shot, hopefully then learning something. look at it like a free photography masterclass.

So Mr Skee, please keep those long critiques coming(hightail it to my blog now).
Beakerst, questions, statements, one word comments etc..... If you are in here displaying your images, you have to accept what you get. It may not always be what we are looking for, but we are at least getting something.
Have a lovely weekend guys. smile

Suby

"Ars longa, vita brevis"
  • Ade
  • 24 Feb 2006, 13:41
as always thanks to everybody for expressing themsleves and views. this is what I look for when comments are spilled onto my site (technical or non-technical, I welcome all).
I see there is a wide variety of opinion here. The only way to build a better blog is to analyse this. So I'll start off with saying there's 2 types of comments:

1. technical
2. non-technical

Like Ade, I don't mind receiving both. In fact, I'm more worried about not receiving any comments than about what type they are. So everything is welcome. If someone tells me what I "should" have done, I'm grateful too. At least they'ved bothered to tell me how to improve. A "should" is in fact the most useful info that a comment can provide. It is a suggestion on how to improve.

Then there's another 2 types of comments:

1. positive
2. negative

Like the recent muslim cartoon outcry, it's a fine line between freedom of speech and being insulted. We have freedom of speech here on Shutterchance, but those posting need to exercise responsibility in using this freedom (myself included).

Having said that, if a photo is poor, I'd like to know - though I will probably sulk for a while. But like Suby says, I can't improve if everyone only tells me it's good (even if it isn't). But if a negative comment is left, the poster needs to quantify the statement, explaining why its warranted. Otherwise, I would feel it has been unfairly rated.

What do you guys think? What type of comments do you want? Do you feel the lack encouragement for poor photos? Or do you feel the lack of kudos on good shots? Would you still want honesty if it is insulting? And is there merit in fake kudos since it encourages and keeps spirits up?
  • Suby
  • 24 Feb 2006, 15:39
The Maven,

What type of comments do I want? Whatever the viewer wants to write.

You cannot control or demand the type of critiques, comments the veiwer writes.

However like everyone out there, I want all to like my shots, wishful thinking though.

Suby
  • skee
  • 24 Feb 2006, 16:12
Did anyone say..."Happy weekend?" ! Happy weekend guys!
I seem to be in the minority here but that's fine with me, life would be boring if we all felt the same way.

I'm all for comments/critique/suggestions but I think it takes time to get to know the way someone posts their images and how they want to receive feedback. Sometimes it may be more helpful to ask a question first before going for the jugular. As reference I was disappointed with the feedback I got on 'Eye'. Fair enough as an audience you didn't like it but no-one stopped to ask me what I was trying to achieve. I can now see that this my own fault and I cannot expect people to read my mind. In future I will be more explicit in my postings and be clearer on what I was trying to achieve. Maybe it will help maybe it won't and don't get me wrong I'm all for freedom of speech.

Photography is just a past-time for me, I can barely work the camera outside of it's automatic settings, sometimes I think the audience can be a little quick to chastise.

anyway, have nice weekend chaps, more dodgy photos coming your way next week...(especially tomorrow, oh lordy you're going to have a field day)
  • sk
  • 24 Feb 2006, 19:25
Thanks everyone for ur comments
  • tetsu
  • 26 Feb 2006, 02:59
Wow!
Beautiful!
Polka dots are excellent. smile
The dots...for what it's worth, is a good idea! BUT! radiating them outwards doesn't work as it conflicts with the pattern of the dots on the model's face.......

this statement earlier is accurate. When one has emphasis and a unique vision have the vision be unique, rather than dilute it with othe elements that will take the quality away. You want to add something as a creative person to the picture, one cana understand that, however sometimes, like a beautiful flower we are there to capture it and glorify it in our particular style. Much like my self and other ad photographers this image radiates that style - enjoy your models beauty and create and emphasis with you and the model and realizing yes there is something there, instead of adding other ingrediants. best Bill Nyman - thx for visiting my site as well
  • miles
  • 14 Mar 2006, 07:22
Very nice, I love how the dots work the image through.

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